fdd f: Tosa Inu Vs American Pit Bull Terrier?
I do not like in anyway dog or animal fighting. This is for personal knowledge only. Ok, I know American Pit Bull Terriers were bred to fight. I also know that there's 4 breeds that can beat them. I know Tosa Inu was bred to fight too. I also know that the Tosa is like 100 pounds heavier.
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Answer by Kiki B
I suppose it would depend on the gameness of the dog, no matter what the breed, and it's intelligence as to where to grip the other dog. It would boil down to skill and gameness, I would think.
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Answer by John Juan
It’s incredibly cowardly to fight a pitbull against a dog that is 3 or 4 times bigger!!!!!
Answer by Wally of Wally World
Sure, a large dog such as a Kangal, Tosa, Alabai, Bully Kutta, or Caucasian Shepherd can sometimes whip a much smaller APBT just like a 500-pound lion can whip a 200-pound leopard! DUH
Answer by Pat
for once and for all..
when you put the best pitbull available against the best available tosa, argentian dogo, alabai, kangal, bully kutta etc.
chances are 75 percent for the dead game bred American pit bull terrier to win the fight.
sure, lots of internet amateur movies show otherwise...
but the truth is that often the kangals, or the alabais or even the argentian dogs want to flee and stop fighting when they become tired and hot and thirsty .. and took to much stamina during the fight...
so at best, to their advantage, they pretty dominate the fight for the first 10 minutes...
especially when they are in winning hands.
but the American pit bull terrier will recover and very soon will show is toughness and courage and above all his gameness...
there is no one breed of dog,
or whatever is ever called o dog and some...
that has the real dead gameness.
except for this little fighter.
how in the world can a person be proud that a kangal, alabai or argentian dog can whip this courageous little fighter at times...
how could anyone be proud when Muhammad Ali whips a boxing dwarf weighing 50 pounds...
on the other hand...
it shows their insecurity because obviously, they know their fighting giants could lose the fight against this professional boxing dwarf.
kangals and alabai dogs are great dogs and some of them are truly great fighters .. but they are more the dominant style fighters .. and are sheep/herding dogs with a very territorial an protective nature.
the American pit bull terrier is none of that...
he excelled in making money for his master in terms of fighting...
dogfighting, although it truly sickens me
is very risky and serious business...
99 percent of the time those people come up with an American pit bull terrier...
they don't want to lose their money.
a game-bred American pit bull terrier, so, not just a pit bull, or a mix, or those look-alike pits,s in poor video clips...
but the real old school dead game American pit bull terrier .. who is one of the most loyal breeds for family and friends .. will defeat any, any other dog.
for 75 percent of the time.
even when he was dominated, and punished, and tired and hot and thirsty...
this little clown will never give up and is in no way comparable with a kangal or alabai or whatever extremely strong dog.
- Which would win a Kangal or a pit bull in a dog fight?
- American Pitbull Terrier vs Ovcharka?
- Who would win in a fight between a wolf and a pitbull?
the real fighter is not the one who always wants to be on top...
the real fighter is the one struggling
with major punishments and still believes he could take anything down.
that, that is a true fighter.
next to gameness the American pitbull is pretty tough and strong...
a fast, agile and unpredictable fighter.
you will change your mind when you ever see a dead game pit bull fight.
believe me.
Answer by Brent
Bunch of hogwash, from people who know anything about dogs, If the pit bull is in super condition, mine pulls me about 5 miles a day on a bike with a flat tire without even getting tired. All those big dogs will tire out and give up.
That way everyone is always comparing their mutts to a real pit bull. Why is that because when the money goes down on the table the pros know who to win
Answer by Izdrk
Every dog is an individual story, never generally look the strongest breed but,
If we spoke about fighting tosas and fighting game pit bulls :
1. light tosa 35-45kg vs all weight pit bulls 50% vs 50%
2. middleweight tosa 45kg-55kg vs pitbull all weights 70-85% vs 15%-30%
3. heavyweight tosa 55kg-65kg vs pitbull all weights (animal cruelty tosa kill pit bull in 90% win 99%)
4. super-heavyweight tosa over 65kg (animal cruelty tosa fast kill a pitbull it's practically impossible to pit survive the end of the battle)
WARNING:
This result is only for professional fighting dogs, not for show tosas, and not for pit bulls. Very possible is the show tosa and not game pit bulls can lose a fight against any bigger breed. (big shepherds, mastiffs, etc…)
Pitbulls are fighting each other in 1-2lb weight differences. They can win big dogs only if big dogs are not high-class fighters. For mix fights are usable only heavy pit bulls, but most of the heavy pit bulls are not a pure breed and not game dogs.
There are different rules of the fight for every breed. A light tosas are fought against pit bulls in Korea in CAJUN (pitbull fighting rules), but in tosa rules not, because is a very low chance to pitbull can win tosa in tosa rules. Light tosas in Korea is 35-45kg and in Japan 40kg-50kg. In Japan is 3 categories of tosas, in Korea 4 but there are weight differences in different fighting clubs in the same country.
Tosa rules are most stressed for dogs overall rules and CAJUN (pitbull) is in second place. In tosa ring dogs goes alone not with handler and cages are small without of lot maneuver place. Only the referee is in the cage with dogs. In this ring wrestling abilities and bite force is primary. In these conditions, a pitbull 30+ kg is inferior against tosa of near 45kg. Pitbull rules CAJUN geave more chances to win a pit bull.
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Koup says
Just remember this tosa and any other bigger breed can only kill 3 or 4 x smaller dog but dog there weight they cannot kill it nor they wont kill it but for abpt if they were the size of tosa or dogo none of those bigger bread will never in milloin year not even one of them can win even now that if u were to rank them down any breed in a pit box ranking from drives there stamina the gameness the temperment willingness to keep going what breed will be on top for the ring peace out
YouAreDowns says
Your comment is full of down syndrome bro.
gg says
even yokozuna tosa lost vs pit of 3x of its size in Japan. Pit was called buster and there is photo as evidence of it.
People like to compare tosas,kangals and other breeds with pit who is 3x smaller. thats already show who is winner here.
No body says tosa vs kangal,or tosa vs cao but everybody compare tosa and pit,cao and pit,kangal and pit. People compare vs best.
All those big dogs have no stamina and no heart. Sometimes they can win cause of size,yes but mostly they will lose because they will surrender when they cant win in 10-15 mins.
yokozuna tosa lost vs pit, champion central asian dogs lost vs pit but champion pit never lost to any other breed. Thats historical fact.
Dan says
No apbt is matched by weight even grand champion is no match vs tosa there to big
I broke up an arranged fight , the pit was in it for 2 minute then it go hurt , spent the other trainers wanted to roll again I told the guy no or your dog would be killed dog nearly died
Them tosa are banned in England same as apbt
Love apbt but the tosa and Ovcharka are to big for the pit a Rottweiler can beat pit bull what do you think the Japanese Tosa will do I think the Americans say it’s the top fighter but any dogman will tell you and would not match his 45 pound pit vs 150 180 lbs tosa your get your dog killed simple dimples sorry pit fans thats but just the way it is.
Koup says
Yes for sure a pitbull can not win any dog that is 4 or 5 times bigger but for those bigger bread why dont they match them up with there own breed and class weight and always compare them to a breed that is 4 or 5x smaller its like apbt is always comparing a match with a yorkie lol now this question is are them bigger breed even a true fighter in a ring lol.
s4js1 says
where the fuck you see dogo argentino or kavkasian owcarka give up in east europe [balkan turk] dogs fight if in real money to the death you try your dog on your other dogs if he give up he dont go in ring////in ring go dogs that dont run from shit….why would you give money on unpreper pussy ovcarka or kangal or yugoslavian shepherd[sarplaninac] that dogs arent pets that dog are trained to extreme if get dead in proces that is good you dont gona bat money on bad health dog what bike they pull cars trailers with briks for endurance if they get heart atack good no money waste….if he survive all harsh trraining an no pro fights only than go to real to death fight to somone put 5000-10000 euros on this fight…owner wont lose dog so give up hahaha…if lose an no dead owner will personaly put bullet in dog head….that real e-legal fight mean….i hate this sport but if you breed for fight be harsh only tuffest can win…no oh my little dogy bleed bo who…
Anthony says
How about Bandogs
Douglas E Millar says
OK TAKE IT EASY YOU FUCKING MY DOG V=CAN BEAT YOUR DO. understand genetics, No animal Period beats a APBT for gameness. Animals aren’t designed to fight to the death. For you all you gamebres APBT breeders you have bred the Psycopaths of the animal kingdon. You think your do TOUGH because your dogs have gamenss. Big fucking deal. This absolutley couldn’t survie in the wild. It would would hav no clue when to fight and when not to. It would be a snack to a pack of wolves or PUMA. Understand fighting to the death is not a survival strategy but a losing one, On their own in the wild these dogs are a failure. I have one BYW
Mat says
Once again the ignorance astounds me, go to Japan where dog fighting is legal and go to the best and biggest Japanese tosa and say to his owner I’ve got a 45-55 pound game breed (pit weight) pit bull, would you like a match with cunja rules, he will plainly reply, I know my dog will quit or die in 45 min against your dog. There is a reason why it’s mostly only pit bulls verse pit bulls in cunja rules because no other breed even the mighty Tosa has much of a chance against the game breed pit bull.
dan brown says
I’ll keep this short and sweet as much as I love apbt Scotsmans max May day rom etc top game dogs special dogs but abpt only fight in matched weight, Exs. You wouldn’t match a lightweight boxer vs a heavyweight same skill level because you know its not fair
You wouldn’t match a 45 lbs pit vs 150 lbs Japanese Tosa the dead game pit stands no chance and the best dogman will tell you this same as the Ovcharka ,kangal pit stands no chance good little scraper Japanese tosa probably has the highest pain threshold in any dog there a very quite fighter don’t snarl banned in England sorry pit fans i know they say its not the size of the dog but the fight in dog but tosa is not your ordinary dog I’ve personally witnessed the match up and it was bad news for the b
Abpt and he was a tank done well for 2 minutes then got devastated Mismatch pits are brought to scratch after weight matched Keep it away from a Japanese Tosa
Allan says
Dogo`s are at least twice the size of the apt! You pathetic pussies who compare large fighting dogs to the 50 pound (or smaller) apbt are morons. Why don`t you fight your 150 pounder against a 500 pound lion or tiger? Better yet, why don`t you pick a fight with someone who is three times your size?!! You cowardly lil bitches.
Jon says
I think most of the people who are commenting here are just making up some stories.
1) Real Game Breed APBT is maximum 40 Pounds. Over that either mixed or not a good quality dog. There is a video on YouTube one of the best game dog breeders talk about his dogs and none of his dogs are over 40 Pounds.
2) I don’t think you guys ever watched a fight in Japan between Tosa and APBT. All lies. Most of those fights are underground and invitation only. You may have seen some fights but these are not high level fights, and real game dogs
3) I have seen real fights in Siberia, and what I saw was, DOGO ARGENTINO has taken down Game PitBulls most of the time.
4) REAL KANGAL (Not massive Anatolian Shepherd dog which assume to be Kangal or ALABAI) can finish APBT off. Kangal runs miles and hours after a wolf and kill a wolf (Sure NOT a timber wolf or Canadian grey wolf) but regardless any wolf is hard to kill.
Allan says
Jon, dogo`s are twice the size of apbt`s if not more! Real Kangals are 3 to 4 times larger than apbt`s. How ridicously assinine is it to brag about these huge fighting dogs being able to sometimes whip an apbt?!! Anybody that knows anything about fighting dogs knows that at the same weight the apbt will easily wipe the floor up with ANY other breed without breaking a sweat. Many many times the apbt will destroy even these huge fighting dogs. Imho dogo`s are goofy looking. GAMEBRED AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIERS ARE ABSOLUTELY THE TOUGHEST BREED OF ALL TIME!!! Only a chicken shit wussy would brag or be proud of their huge fighting dog being able to whip SOME pitbulls. These huge fighting dogs are pussies compared to the mighty American Pit Bull Terrier. PERIOD!!!
Mat says
Your a moron, nun of these breeds can beat a game breed pit, go take your cur to a real dog man and he’ll gladly take your money. Fucking idiot it’s like saying your Doberman can out run a greyhound, obviously the gray hound is breed to run and can run faster then a race horse. The game breed pit bull is the master of the pit just as the greyhound is the master of the race track.
mace says
mat well said no dog can beat apbt
me says
What about Price Boar Biessers?
Rob Emmerich says
Hello world! I just cannot believe some of the previous comments on this subject. I do not think most of the previous commenters had any actual experience on the subject.
I was the very proud owner of a pure breed American Pit Bull Terrier. (Bolio bloodline.) I am not a fan of fighting any animal for fun or money. However, My dog Max, may he rest in peace is the exact dog I want by my side if or when this world falls into complete chaos due to the economy collapsing or due to some other reason. Along with an AK-47 which I have fired on an occasion, because the M-16 that I was issued is a toy compared to the AK-47. Mine was made by the Mattel Toy Co. for God’s sake.
Anyway, I have done a lot of research on the subject of dog fighting and have spoken to and known many people that did fight dogs. Max’s father was the champion of the Bronx, NY for 3 years and he fought dogs from all over the country. Max was 55 lbs and he was the fastest, most agile animal I have ever seen. Im not talking about speed like in a race naturally. There are faster dogs in a track race of course.
There is only one breed of dog that can beat an APBT approx. 65% of the time and that is an 170 lb Tosa. The Tosa is also bread to fight and on average is 3X the size and weight of the average size APBT. The Tosa is also fast and solid muscle. Yet 35% of the time a 55 lb APBT beats an 170 lb Tosa. So do the math, pound for pound the APBT is the best fighting dog by far in the world.
Also, only the APBT compared to other Pit Bulls, like the American Staffordshire, ranges in size from 50-100 lbs. The American Staff only ranges on average from 40-50 lbs. And he beats an 170 lb. Tosa 25% of the time. The funny thing is Ive heard of many owners of 170 lb Tosa’s that were willing to fight their dog against a 55 or 60 lb. APBT for money, but I do not recall anyone wanting to challenge their Tosa against a 100 or 110 lb. APBT.
I got to see my dog Max in action on one occasion. Unintentionally of course. But I was a very proud man after seeing him in action with my own two eyes. I’d never seen anything like it in my life. Not in real life, on TV, or anywhere else,until that day. I watch Animal Planet, and I’ve watched wild animals fight on television, and nothing compared to what I saw on that day with my dog Max.
Max was in his prime at the time of the incident, and until that day he had never been in a fight before. I brought Max to a public dog run in Whitestone, NY. At dog runs there are two gates you must open to bring your dog in. I had never gone before so I didn’t know why there were two gates. Inside the run there were eight other dogs, ranging in small to large in size running around playing nice so I assumed I could just bring Max right in through both gates. Was that ever an honest mistake!
As soon as I brought him through the second gate, all the other dogs noticed Max and came running towards us full speed ahead. The second all of those dogs came within a foot or two of us, they kind of surrounded us, and suddenly Max exploded into action. In what seemed like a split second, Max looked like a Ninja with lightening speed and bit every single dog around us. The power I felt was unbelievable and I couldn’t hold him back. I was pretty strong at that time myself and could bench press 335 lbs. 8-10 times. Yet in those seconds Max was pulling me.
There was a lady there and she got really frightened and started screaming at me to let go of the leash. I thought she was nuts but I finally let go of the leash and as soon as I did, Max calmed down. These poor dogs only wanted to sniff Max and play. But Max’s instincts kicked in and the fighting dog that he was bread to be came alive instantly. The lady explained later that Max was also protecting me. By the way, she also mentioned that in all her years going to similar dog runs, she had never seen anything like that either.
Thankfully none of the dogs were injured and according to that lady, Max was just giving each dog a warning bite. Or a nip as she said. But the speed, strength, and agility was incredible. The largest dog was a German Shepard and one on one, that dog would not have stood a chance. I was so proud that day of my dog Max. I miss him dearly.
I miss all my dogs that I have had. I had a Collie/Shepard mix that was a pretty bad ass dog. His name was Bones. I named him Bones because I found him abandoned on the side of the highway, wearing a leash and sitting next to a paper bag filled with dry food and a few toys. And he was very skinny as if he hadn’t eaten for weeks. You could see his bones, so thats why I named him Bones.
It took me about 4 or 5 hours to get Bones to allow me to touch that bag filled with food and take them both home. Bones allowed me to pet him pretty quickly. Then he let me hold him by his leash after about an hour but when I went near his food, he would show his teeth and growl. Finally he trusted me enough after about 5 hours to pick up his bag.
I tried several times to take him and leave that damn bag. Every time I would get him 10-20 feet from that bag he would get confused and wind up running back to that bag.
Bones was my fathers favorite and he will say that Max would have had a hard time in a fight with Bones. LOL. Bones wouldn’t have had a shot in that situation. But I loved them both the same and I would never have wanted to see that happen.
I will end with this, I have no doubt about it, if you ever need to be protected from another animal, pound for pound the American Pit Bull is the greatest fighting dog alive to have by your side. I know because Ive seen it first hand what they can do, even against eight dogs at once.
Rob from Douglaston, NY.
Mat says
This ignorant idiot who wrote the reply, has no idea. This shit has already been dun over and over again and the pit bull is superior to a tosa. In Japan they fight tosa vs tosa only because they know they will not last against a good bred pitbull. Even a good 45 pound (pit weight) pit bull will punch holes all over a grand champion tosa and make him quit. They also fight pit bulls in Japan with normal pit rules and it’s widely know that unless the pit is broken and finished in the first 15min then you might as well get your big dog out of the pit because he will lose for sure.
Rob Emmerich says
Ive attended many fights between the Tosa and a Pit while stationed in Okinawa. The Pit wins 35%-40% of the time. A 50-55lb Pit. Ive never seen anyone willing to fight their 170 lb Tosa against an 100lb Pit. Rob.
Dylan Hunziker says
100 pound dog would be at a disadvantage. There is a reason real game bred pitbulls are small
Mike says
Were the dog fights related at all to the bull fights up in Nago, or was this an underground thing? Stationed on Kadena for 5 years and never heard a lick about dog fights.
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Stacie says
I don’t know why people think pitties are 50 pounds . Yeah maybe their head . My pit is 100 pounds . Pits have short legs . But thick bodies and muscular . And one big head . Any other pits I have known weren’t 50 pounds .
Dylan Hunziker says
Those aren’t real game bred pitbulls. Real apbt are much smaller than the dogs you describe
Mat says
It’s unlikely he’s game breed. Land of the giants a breeder has bred pure breed pit bulls 90 to 120 pounds but they are just selectively breed to be big. They are not game breed. Mayday a grand champion catch weight pit bull was only about 65 pounds.
Fred says
yabbadabbadoooo
Stfu says
If anyone wants to know the answers bring ya mutt and put it up with a real apbt and u will get your question answer
WW says
I hear ya Stfu. Anybody that knows anything about fighting dogs knows that pound for pound nothing beats a game bred apbt PERIOD!!! Isn’t it funny and pathetic how all these knuckleheads that say their breed is tougher than the apbt always compare the apbt to breeds that are 3 or 4 times bigger than the apbt?! PITS RULE
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Louis vigilante says
This is a joke,Richard Stratton debunked all this bullshit with volumes and volumes of information in many books.. A game American pit bull terrier,IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE FIGHTING DOG EVER created by man..undisputed fact … Sorry to shed light on childhood playground legends
Keeshonden says
@Louis; APT is indeed the most game fighting dog. They usually outlast the out-of-shape larger dogs. Even when an APT won against an Alabai/Kangal shepherd dog, it took a lot of punishment. The APT won because they don’t quit. At the same time, there are many APT died fighting the Alabai or Kangal dogs if they are not separated by the cruel owners. Many videos from Eastern Europe and the Middle-Eastern countries are proof of what mentioned above. Google Kangal vs Pitbull fights and there are plenty of videos for you to watch. Some argues that they are not game-pits and perhaps they are right. But that will be another fact finding mission.
As for Tosa vs APT, most of the videos results are Tosa dogs running away from an APT. Judging from many videos, Tosa dogs are not very game. A lot of nationalistic comments from Japan/Korea stated that those dogs are too small for a Tosa. Some even mentioned that they have 135 kg Tosa from Korea. Ummmmm, maybe he/she does not know the difference between kg and lbs. While many other comments that they are not fighting Tosa dogs. A familiar comment from the APT fans.
Paolo says
Reality debunked Mr. Stratton!Pits at catch weight only fight with tosa under cajun rules.In Japan and Korea nobody put a pit against a +20 lb Tosa.The story about ritual match and so on is just story.Recond for longest fight in korea is 1 hr and 6 minutes with 55 kg animals!!!State Above is truly correct.You are misinformed by too much Pitbulls hipe!By the way I breed Mayday dogs,but reality is reality.Other dogs like Kangal,Bully Kuttas and so on,are not competitive with Tosas. and pits.Ends.
CRS says
stoopid effing question
pitbullmommie122106 says
No one can answer that question, it would all depend on the individual dogs. You could have a APBT that would be able to easily beat a Tosa Inu and then you could have a Tosa Inu that could easily beat an APBT. It all depends on the individual dog. Not all APBTs are alike and not all Tosa Inus are alike, so this question is impossible to answer. I do know that APBTs (and the other two "pit bull" breeds) were bred to fight another dog to the death, they are known for their never say die attitude, and APBTs are pound for pound one of the strongest breeds. I really don't even see why it matters or why you would even ask this question in the first place if you don't support dog fighting.
Some things I have read about APBTs…
"APBTs will fight an enemy to the death… Originally used as fighting dogs, the powerful American Pit Bull Terrier may go for the throat of strange dogs"
"When bred for fighting, the breeder would look for strength, and gameness: from its bulldog and terrier ancestors it inherited the instincts to never give up and to bite down and never let go. A breeder also knew that a dog like this could be very dangerous to people and difficult to control if it were a man-biter, so he would look for the crucial trait of non-aggression towards humans. Any fighting dog that showed aggression towards its owner or handler would be culled immediately. This created a line of strong dogs that, while being dog aggressive, would not turn on their owners."
All three of our APBTs are absolute sweet hearts, they love everyone and everything, especially children and including other animals. I am completely against dog fighting (or any animal fighting) and any and all kinds of animal abuse! It seems wrong to even answer this question, but it kind of makes me mad that someone would even ask something like this, so I had to say something.
**Okay? Where are you getting that? I don't know where your getting your info from, bu your wrong. "Pit bull" is a term used to group three breeds APBT, AmStaff and Staffie. And yes they are three different breeds, but the Staffie was bred from different terriers and bulldogs for the sport of bull baiting, then the Staffie was brought to the US where US breeders made it slightly larger with a wider head and called in an AmStaff. Then in the 1900's when dog fighting was banned in the US two strands of the AmStaff were developed, the AmStaff and the APBT. I know quite a bit about all three of these breeds and you are very wrong about only one breed being called a "pit bull". Sounds like you really need to do some research.**
raticals.com says
Tosas are very dog-aggressive and they outweigh pits, however, size does not matter, because pits have resilience that most dogs do not possess.
Regardless, it's a mute point since you have no intentions of fighting them, right?
abcd says
Moot point. A mute point would be one you didn’t say.
Paolo says
Untrue: Pits tire quikly when fight bigger dogs,and large dogs show much stamina when fought a lighter opponent.Just the difference if you fight agains a 300 lb man an 120 lb man!
Al says
Questo è molto falso. Pound for pund un vero apbt distruggerà un tosa praticamente sempre. Un tosa deve essere molto più pesante per vincere.