darthsikk: I'm just curious, I am a dog lover, I love my dogs to death (Blond Lab and a Finnish Lapphund mix)...?
But in a purely inquisitive stance, I have a question about dog fighting and the breeds used.
Everyone totes the APBT as the "super dog" of the fighting circuit. And of course, there is no doubt, that if properly abused and negative behavior reinforced... that the dogs are dangerous. But I don't believe that they are the "one and all" of the fighting dog kingdom. Caucasian Shepherds are lauded for their hardiness, and viciousness, as well as size.
I'll just stop there, I'm just curious if anyone knows of a dog breed that is superior in this alleged "tenacity", and overplayed agility of the APBT. Again, I LOVE my dogs, and all the others out there in the world, and see them as pure souls. I do not condone dog fighting, I don't find it amusing or consider it in any way a "sport". People who are caught doing it should be thrown into a room with red flag case dogs to see what it's like on the receiving end.
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Answer by Piper- Won UDX!
Bull Terrier, Ca De Bou, Tosa Inu, Akita Inu, AmStaffy, Kerry Blue Terrier, and AmPittie.
Those were some of the most commonly used, agile, dog breeds. Other dog breeds that weren't as agile but were used were the Bulldog, Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasileiro, Shar Pei, and Dogue De Bordeaux.
There are hundreds of dogs that were used in dog fights, those were just the most common ones and some, the most powerful ones. Boxers, AmPitties and Bull Kuttas, as well as Alano Espanols, are still very popular breeds in dogfighting history.
Answer by spandan das
Boerboel, Dogo Argentino, Gull Dong, Bully Kutta, Central Asian Shepherd, Kangal, Tibetan mastiff, and Caucasian Shepherd... who can be best to kill a 60 k.g male leopard?
Answer by PAPA WU
APBT are the best fighting breed on earth. Boebeols suck at fighting and wouldn't last even 15 minutes in the pit with game dogs. There is a good reason that professionals only use this breed, and the gameness is the reason. No serious dogman would ever use a Caucasian Shepherd. Bully Kutta, Gull Terr, and Tosa are the only other serious fighting breeds. People get caught up in dog size and usually get shamed when their 200lb cur is running from a dog that weighs 30kg.
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Answer by Ari
I have spent considerable time in Central Asia and Eurasia. the advantages/disadvantages that come when you r trying to engage the locals into a more meaningful conversation on current conflicts – is that they more often than not drag you into the only social gathering – dogfighting. so yes, i have seen a few fights in n around the area.
I am seeing the names of two jap fighting dogs tosa n akita mentioned here along with the pakistani bully kutta. throw in the light boned akbash, the big boned kangal from turkey/PUK… central asian ovcharka n caucasian ovcharka from Eurasia n the mother of them all, the tibetan mastiff – n you have a neat line of big dogs that mop floors with APBT, Am Staff, bull terrier, gull dong or the likes. few lesser known dogs like sage koochie, or sarplaninacs are deadly too.
the advantages that come naturally to these breeds are – they are tough, weathered, big boned, have plenty of stamina, n are heavy. a pit might go on biting around, but if a kangal snaps its jaws on it, the pit seldom manages to break that. they are spirited yes, but not sufficiently heavy or big.
Finally – dogs are as good or as bad as their owners. In central Asia, dogfighting is a way of selective breeding. the winner gets to breed becoz the offsprings are expected to be of a tougher stock. the fighting dogs are not more than 2 yrs of age. n there is seldom a dog death. more pits die in the USA in the underground dogfights.
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Rayven ~ Here we Go says
Nothing more than a matter of opinion and where you are in the world. Caucasians were bred as livestock guardians NOT fighting dogs.
And depends on what you define as "superior" breed has little to do with it and more to do with the ability of the dog.
There are several breeds out there who's history includes dog fighting, whether they can beat an APBT i is a matter of case by case.
Also ABUSE has nothing to do with is. APBTs were bred to be dog aggressive and have a high prey drive. You can't make a dog fight any more than you can make a show dog do well in the ring. While I freely admit not every dog fighter gives a shit about the health and well being long term of their dogs the average dog fighter is not stupid enough to abuse and mistreat a valuable source of money.
And "everyone" is full of it. Back in the day there were many dogmen who preferred mixes over the purebred APBT in the ring.
Treasure; <3s BAT says
Really, I don't think it is just the APBT, it's any breed of dog that resembles the breed, and there are a lot of them. I completely believe it's the bigger, squarer skull, as well as how stalky the breeds tend to be.
There are many other breeds that could be used to fighting, due to their loyalty, fearlessness, ferocity, as well as desire to please their owner. Rottweilers, Shepherds, Marammas, Doberman Pinschers, ect. Hell even Chihuahuas and smaller breeds could be used, as they mainly possess these same traits. Granted it would have to be a small breed vs. small breed.
Peter Griffin says
I hear you.. and I dont take your question that way..
but I will answer it, as it is a subject of which Ive done alot of research.
Might I suggest 2 books to read, they are incredibly good books to learn about these types of dogs you are asking about.
Dr. Carl Semencic- Pit Bulls and Tenacious Guard Dogs
Dr. Carl Semencic- Gladiator Dogs. This one of the the one that is all about this subject.
TO answer.. MANY MANY breeds out there would be able to "handle" a pitbull in a dog fight. The reason that people dont use them in fighting is because they are lesser known, and more costly to feed and keep. You must remember that people breeding fighting pits dont usually go all out on vet costs, best puppy food, nice place for them to live, etc. They are generally not too concerned with spending money… so why spend on a dog that eats 9 cups a day when you can have a pit that eats 4.
Bar None, the mightiest dog of this type would be the South African Boerboel. Up to 200lbs of pure Molosser, bred for guarding and fighting off Any and All predators on the farms of South Africa. There is documented proof of Boerboels fending off elephants and even documented proof of boerboels killing jaguars! Its rumored too that 1 legendary working boerboel killed 6 jaguars in his lifetime as guardian on the farm.
Tosa Inu is up there too… again, 190lbs of fighting dog….
Bully Kutta, Molosser from Pakistan, 180lbs of fighting dog.
Presa Canario- Canary Island Guardian and Fighting dog.
Fila Brasiliero- One of the best guardian and fighting dogs out there…
Dogo Argentino, 120lbs usually.. so it's small to be considered an "effective manstopper" or ultimate fighter….. but very good at what it does!
Neopolitan Mastiff- 200lbs of fighting dog…. very nasty when they wanna be.
So, the dogs listed are not cheap, they are rare, and they are not used by dog fighters because of this.
I own a Boerboel.. he's 185lbs and he's all muscle. He's killed coyotes, fisher cats and many other predators who try to get at our poultry on our farm. The coyote looked like it was hit by a Mack truck… and my boerboel had a few scrapes on his nose and paws. He was fine after a vet visit for rabies shots!
Seriously, check out Gladiator Dogs, it's about exactly what you are asking.
DOG SECTION REGULAR- Pits are NOT the only dog bred for this and they are no different than SEVERAL other fighting breeds… I find it hard to believe that a regular in the dog section has never heard of ANY other breeds bred for dog aggression and dog fighting???
Here are six such dogs:
Japanese Fighting dog, Tosa Inu.
Roman dogs (descendants of the Canus Pugnax, which youll catch what the name means if you're up on your latin)Neopolitan Mastiff and Cane Corso.
Japanese guardian dog Akita Inu.
Pakistani Dog, Bully Kutta.
Chinese dog- Shar Pei
Note, MOST of these dogs have wrinkled skin, an adaptation of fighting breeds. When bitten, they have enough stretch to be able to reach about and bite back, therefore they are harder to pin. Shar Pei has wrinkles AND reverse hair that is prickly to the touch.. another adaptation of this fighting dog.
Patterdale says
Boerbeols maybe huge dogs but there is no way they could defeat a leopard, (I know you said jaguars but they live in south america) Its pure myth as for fending of Elephants well all i can say is its lucky the elephants walked away or you`d have one very squashed dog.
Dog Section Regular says
Well, Caucasian Shepherds aren't used for dog fighting. I do not believe they are "lauded" for their "viciousness." No dog is vicious.
The APBT was bred specifically for DOG AGGRESSION. It has nothing to do with, as you put it "PROPERLY abused" dogs or "reinforcing negative behavior."
I don't know of another breed specifically BRED for DOG aggression like the APBT.