The Dogman: American Pitbull Terrier vs Ovcharka?
There seems to be a misguided few who believe that the Russian Caucasian Ovcharka can compete with the APBT.
I ask you to give me your opinions and let's have a proper discussion/ debate.
Answers and Views:
Answer by RA
There is nothing on the planet (200 lbs. or under) that can whip a game American Pitbull Terrier (40-65lb). Anyone that suggests any dog or wolf has a chance is ill-informed.
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Answer by Hengus
Ovcharkas take it 9 times out of 10. 200 lbs Ovcharkas coat is too thick for a 60 lbs pit bull to hurt it, simple anatomy.
Pits are undoubtedly the king of fight breeds, that is POUND FOR POUND,
some of you deluded peasants think pits can take on polar bears already,
Answer by Julien
The Ovcharka hands down is the nastiest meanest most aggressive dog I have seen. They are not just big, but agile, and yes they will destroy any 50lb, 60lb,70lb ABPT. particularly if you can get one directly from Russia.
Answer by Paddy
TRUST ME, as you could google and see the other way around, i have seen a 65 lb pit grab a full-grown Bull Cow by the face and drag him down. You “get real” as you say idiot
Answer by SGT USMC
A Kangal – Ovcharka or the like could and would do whatever it pleases with a pitbull — could mount it and breed it – kill or mame it and in heartbeat. I suppose a pit bull could get lucky sneak under the big dog and attack his genitalia — more likely the big dog would scoop the apbt up in jaws shake it like a rat and it's over (see eg Dempsey terriers and barn rats) — — the toughest apbt are not these rejects you see at 100lbs — they are what 35 – 55 lbs — — Certainly APBT can be a real game and super talented — just like Floyd “money” Mayweather — Floyd is unmatched athletic talent and practioner — but the simple fact of the matter is that a bottom of the barrel heavyweight would make him his bitch with relative ease (including even the sloppy fat pasty white guys).
Similarly – and while there are exceptions they are very rare — a 125 lb female can be a 40-degree blackbelt — but at end of the day she can kung fu all over the place and I can walk right through wrap my arms around her and it's over (this example was for arguments sake only — I have never and never would find myself in a scrap with a little karate gal) — I'm not a brightest guy but has something to do with stuff like physics — despite the commentary APBT’s are not superheroes — the bite force is limited by forces likes size or lack thereof.
Answer by Don C
You want the truth, don't you? Well here goes. I’m 65 years old and fought dogs against the likes of Don Mayfield, Don Maloney, Walter Komosinski, Pete Sweeney, Earl Tudor, Jack Kelly, Jerry Bean, I could go on but what’s the point? I won my share and lost my share. IF there was a better combat dog than the pit bull, then that’s what the pros would be using. You’re talking about a 175 lb. dog against a 50 lb pit bull. The pit bull still wins. Why? Because the Russian dog WASN’T bred for combat. I’ve seen pit bulls up against everything available and they still win. Are there exceptions to every rule? Of course. When you match a 175 dog against a 50 lb pitbull, the odds are stacked against the smaller dog.B ut, pound for pound there is NO dog capable of whipping a pit bull. As a matter of fact, I will put a 50 lb. pit bull up against any 175 lb Russian dog in the world.
There’s an old saying that goes like this, “it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.” The American Pit Bull is the world’s greatest combat animal ever bred. If you think to place a 175 lb. Russian dog against a 50 lb. pit bull you have my deepest sympathies. When the pit bull grabs the big dog by the now and won’t let go, let’s see how much screaming goes on for the big dog. And make no mistake, the pit bull IS gonna at some time or another bite the bigger dog in a place he ain’t gonna care much for. And once again, if the “pros” who fight dogs felt like the Russian dog was the best combat dog, don’t you think they’d be using them instead of the lowly pit bull? ‘Nuff said.
Answer by Alexandra
I own a Pit bull and a Pit Bull x Boerboel (South African Mastiff, loosely translated from Afrikaans to mean Farmer’s dog) and they are the sweetest and most loyal dogs I’ve ever owned. They have never shown aggression or been a danger to other people or dogs in any situation. However, I once lived and worked on a property for a year that had an Ovchaka, I will never trust that breed again. The Ovchaka was threatening and aggressive to strangers and over the course of the year that I was there, got progressively more dangerous to the point that not only did he turn on me(savagely biting my arm after I pulled him off another person he tried to bite unprovoked) after biting me he was always threatening and aggressive towards me even though we had been ‘best friends’ up until then and now he has to be kept in an enclosure because he is even a danger to his own owner and her child.
In my personal experience and opinion, Pitbulls are predictable and trustworthy. They are only ruined and made dangerous by people, however, Ovcharka’s are unpredictable and aggressive regardless of how well they are trained and how much they are loved.
STOP DOG FIGHTING!
Answer by Rob
You guys are idiots for matching a 55 lb dog, the apbt, against fighting dogs/guard dogs 2 to 3 times its weight and size. Will this argument ever end? There is not a dog on this planet in a pitbulls weight class that can beat it. A Jack Russell terrier weighs probably 15 pounds less than a pit yet it can never beat one; nor can most dogs twice its size. In order for it to meets its match you have to give it all most impossible odds to win. Fucking cowards! Then brag about what a shitty breed it is.
Lesson one: dogo’s, presa’s, corso’s, bully kuttas are all bandogs. They only took on their recent appearance within the past 20-30 yrs. And what’s the main ingredient in most modern bandogs? Apbt!
- Which would win a Kangal or a pitbull in a dog fight?
- Tosa Inu Vs American Pit Bull Terrier fight?
- Who would win in a fight between a wolf and a pitbull?
Lesson 2: the kangals you see online that are the most impressive are not purebred dogs! That’s why they are so rare even in their country of origin. These so-called “Kangals” are in fact, Boz shepherds or Malak/Kangal crosses with those that look more like Malaks being the most popular. If a so-called kangal has a hanging upper lip, and block skull and not a round one, stands up square not rectangular, has overly defined muscle definition then its not a Kangal but one of the aforementioned.
Lesson 3: the best fighting dogs in the world are bandogs! Usually, Boerboel crossed with pit, or working lines of Neo or tosa. One such dog, a Boerboel X apbt, was undefeated against all other breeds and still to this day holds the record.
Lesson 4: game pitbulls come from a separate and distinct line from just the casual show dog (aka amstaffs). These dogs are top prizefighters who lines date back several generations back to when the breed was being developed. Of course, a 120 + lbs has the advantage but what more amazing here is that sometimes, the pit wins. Self-preservation, unlike what many of the larger breeds have, is not one of their traits; it was bred out. That ‘underdog’ — that fighting spirit is not something to be looked down upon.
Lesson 5: say we even the odds and made kangals, CO’s, CAO’s, bully kuttas, tm’s all equal in weight to a pit. Things wouldn’t be so “overrated” then would they?
Know better? Give your own answer to this question!
Kevin says
“Lesson 3: the best fighting dogs in the world are bandogs! Usually, Boerboel crossed with pit, or working lines of Neo or tosa. One such dog, a Boerboel X apbt, was undefeated against all other breeds and still to this day holds the record.”
Stop lying.
DA says
No one has mentioned a FILA ???
Aleksandar Todorovic says
You people newer seen any dog fight!I read here a lot of chid talks!Big dog Volkodav is fisical superior to any game pit in any weight!But big volkodav sometimes destroy a smaler pit,but if a pit is big and have a good defense volkodav wil run a way after couple minutes!Pit bull can not make any demage to volkodav!I have a game pit bulls and game croses betven game pit bulls and good american bulldogs!Crosss 37kg 600gr destroed any pit to 30kg!But if you ask me to put a cross to volkodav or put a pit bull to volkodav I choise a pit bull?Why you ask me if cross is stronger!Cross is tronger than pit but not is stronger then volkodav,pit is a smaller and good conditioning than cross!Volkodav heas easyer destroed bigger and stronger dog than smalerr fast dog!Thats it!
me says
I’ve been to many, many, many dog fights in africa and Europe and no one uses pit bulls in big money fights simply because they cannot compete with the Ovcharkas, The Alabais, Kangals and Presa Canarios. And no one has even tried since the late 90’s. I’ve seen small ovcharkas only about 125 pounds destroy a 65 pnd pit more than once and it’s not pretty I can’t imagine what a 180 pnd Ovcharka would do to them. Just so you know when the 2 dogs link up when they’re released the weight and size of the Ovcharka over power the pit and the Ovcharka knocks the pit to the ground and covers him and starts to crunch down on his tail and back legs forcing the put to turn up and try to bite the Ovcharkas neck and under chest and when he can’t from the furcand the pain he’s going through the Ovcharka lets go and turns around and grabs the pits face with his jaws and doesn’t let go and shakes and rips and crunches down till the pit slowly goes to the ground and The ovcharka holds that until the pit doesn’t have much left and eventually when he does let the pit go he then either grabs the pit by the top ot bottom of the neck (one fight he grabbed the top the other fight he grabbed the bottom of the neck) and at that point the fight was over and the pits cried till either the first fight the dog was near dead and the second fight the put was dead. So you couldn’t be more wrong in actual dog fighting facts. Pits are good to fight general dog breeds and each other butbwhen it comes to European and African fighting breeds they don’t even come close. Those are FACTS my friend.
MARINE DESTROYER says
ALL TALK….AFRICA AND EUROPE DON’T HAVE GAME PITS….THEY HAVE PIT MIXES PERIOD.
DOG FIGHTING ACTUALLY SUCKS. I’D LIKE TO PUT A MAN IN TO FIGHT A DOG BARE HANDED.
Ceecee Carew says
1st of all…to dog enthusiast. A Kangal has little to no recall and a 759psi bite force. He also has little to no recall once he us in full attack mode.(Kurdish Kangal) also a Apbt can’t do anything against the following dogs, Tosa Inu( who will nearly decapitate it. ) a fighting AKITA,which will literary peel the hide off him, a Central Asia Shepherd, a Dogo , a Cane Corso, on a deathwalk), not to mention a Caucasian bear dog and a African bred Rhodesian ridgeback. These dos are not fighting bulls but bears and big cats.. Please read on these dogs before subjecting a poor Apbt to something like a kangal or tosa who has a extra tough hide designed for protection against big cats.
Marine Destroyer says
Bottom line….I don’t care how big a dog is….Same with men, like the SGT. USMC wrote above, he things the bigger the tougher…WRONG asshole!!! Take the eyes and balls of both dogs and throw them in a bucket and you tell me who’s is whos!!! Just like every Navy Seal in the world would DESTROY any Marine!!! Nuff said, I’ve done it!
Navi says
Stupid Americans. Many videos on internet where top breed pitts gets destroyed in seconds but anyway you are still ignorant :).
Marine Destroyer says
You’re stupid you 3rd world country piece of shit!!! Stop shitting in a bucket and watch a video on what a bathroom is! Who cares what dog is tougher? Dog fighting is only a replacement of macho-ness because the dogs owners are really big pussies!!!
Grizz says
Personally I disagree with the notion that Pit bull could beat Caucasian Ovcharka that easily. Caucasian ovcharka has a bite force of 720 lbs per square inch pit only 235. Caucasian ovcharka is much bigger and stronger. Pit has better stamina but Caucasian has good stamina on its own. Pain Tolerance is good in pit bull. but Caucasian ovcharka has good pain threshold as well. Pit bull might be more game than Caucasian but Caucasian has practically no fear and very bad temper.
There are videos on youtube that show Presa Canario protection training. Presa is a powerful dog. And did very well in the training. but the man Presa was training with did not fall to the ground. Caucasian threw man on the ground instantaneously. When I say threw him to the ground I don’t mean push his whole weight against him any large dog can do that. I mean grab the man’s sleeve (one used in training ) throw the man on the ground by simple pull by the hand.
I doubt pit can do that. Yes, pit has great stamina and will to fight. But because of ovcharka’s power, he would spend most of the time on the ground losing strength. The longer the fight goes better for the pit but that is only if he isn’t pined to the ground for a long time. Ovcharka has good stamina too. And the fight would be over long before ovcharka would get tired. What pit brings to the fight beside its great gameness is speed and agility. But while pit has speed ovcharka has the power. And the best way to counter speed is with power. It would go same way as a large bear facing a tiger. If Caucasian forgets that pit is a fellow dog and sees him simply as an enemy. Same way ovcharka sees the wolf. He would kill the pit. Pit is very strong pound per pound but he simply does not have the necessary tools to beat ovcharka.
There are people that say pit can kill anything. There are even shows (not nature shows but movies) that say that pit bull bite force is much stronger than that of the leopard. I say that is why they call them movies. They are not real. Pit bull has very strong bite force pound per pound. But still not the strongest of all canines. The bite force of Caucasian divided by its weight is 3.6 pit is 3.9. Pound per pound pits jaw bite is slightly stronger. But cane corso bite force divided by his weight is 5.8 significantly stronger than pit’s. the bottom line is even if pit bulls bite force is slightly stronger pound per pound than Caucasian overall it is much weaker. You can see videos of kangal fighting the pit. Kangal wins relatively easily.
Now one can say that because both Kangal and Caucasian ovcharka are bigger than the pit the fight is unfair to the pit. But pits were bred chosen and refined almost exclusively for fighting. Other dogs were not. Following the same logic, one might say that this is not fair against other dogs. As far as pit vs wild animals. pit and Wolverine are in the same weight class. Many say that pit would kill wolverine in an instant. That is not and can’t be the truth. And no I never saw a fight between Wolverine and pit bull. However, Pit has gameness and stamina.
I don’t know about the stamina of wolverine but it is a very healthy determined and strong creature. Wolverine can hold his own against grizzly bear for a while or at least black bear. Of course angry enough bear will win but it tells you a lot about wolverine’s tenacity and strength pound per pound. Wolverine has slightly weaker bite force than the pit. wolverine 224 vs pit 235 but that does not matter that much Wolverine is just as game and tenacious as the pit perhaps even more so. Plus what sets wolverine apart from the pit bull are its large powerful claws. Why do most large wild cats capable of killing large dogs? Because of the claws. Technically largest Boerboel is almost the same weight as the largest leopard.
Leopard’s bite force is 500lbs per square inch. Boerboel’s is probably higher. And yes there were instances where Boerboel was able to chase leopard away. But if it came to confrontation to the death leopard would kill Boerboel easily even if Boerboel might actually have slightly more courage than the leopard. Leopard, however, is a survivor because it has to hunt every day and that keeps him in great form. Plus its great agility. plus the large claws. Now back to wolverine. Claws can do just as much damage as teeth and wolverines claws are huge. They can be used to hit from a distance and hold the adversary back delivering significant damage even before teeth come to play. Now weight wise fight between wolverine and pit is fair. infect large wolverine weights 40 lbs large pit 60 lbs. So pit actually has a weight advantage.
There are some information that wolverine was able to kill a polar bear but that is probably an exaggeration. But while wolverine being capable of killing polar bear is very doubtful in my mind. It is food for thought. Even if wolverine was able to deliver any significant damage to polar bear (The largest and strongest predator on earth) before moving away or be killed himself that already proves great tenacity of wolverine. of course wolverine that could withhold against polar bear even for couple of minutes would have to be exceptionally large specimen say 70-80 lbs. There are sometimes wolverines that size just like there are 80 lbs pits. But I doubt that 80 lbs pit could hold his own against polar bear for more than twenty seconds and deliver significant damage on his own.
As far as pit beating Caucasian it would have to be a poor example of Caucasian. Against good specimen of ovcharka it would not be an easily fight for the pit. Infect pit would have to be both very game and very lucky to win.
Steve says
People are really dumb. Georgian herders say even the small wolves there 35 kgs will kill the ovcharka when alone and quick. These dogs dont have a snowball’s chance in hell against a 180 lb male north american wolf. I have a 60 lb trained blue nose pit that is wicked but the shepherd dog to big and strong and has a thick coat of fur. Get real people stop believing the nonsense. And some are even saying they can take down a bear…hahahahah
Me says
You’re stuck on stupid, These dogs are breeded to fight and destroy wolves. 2 ovcharkas (2 males) have destroyed entire packs of wolves in certain russian areas. Educate yourself.
MARINE DESTROYER says
NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS!!! THE WOLVES BEING BEAT BY ANY DOG IS A 16 YEAR OLD HALF DEAD WOLF….FACT!!! OR POSSIBLY A 10 YEAR OLD 50LB. SICKLY WOLF.
Marine Destroyer says
It’s not the size that counts when a pit goes under and grabs it’s pray by the throat and then literally chokes it out as it crushes the windpipe….NOT a nice thing!!! Or rips the balls and penis off the other dog. Dog fighting is NOT a sport, it’s cruelty to animals. And I agree with you about a 180lb. North American Timber Wolf can dominate any dog 1 on 1…. They are extremely smart and not only use their strength but also have the knowledge of strategy.
I’ve studied Wolves for 35 years. They are survivors…
MARINE DESTROYER says
STOP BELIEVING THESE BITE FORCE REPORTS!!! DOGS VARY IN BITE FORCE. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE INTENSITY OF THE BITE!!! I HAD TAKEN A BITE FROM A HUGE MALE GERMAN SHEPHERD AT 146 LBS. WITH A 30 INCH NECK AND A HUGE HEAD….THAT WAS THE HARDEST ANY DOG EVER BIT ME AND I’VE TAKEN HITS FROM EVERY BREED MENTIONED HERE AN OTHERS AS WELL…I’M 260LBS AND FIT AND THIS DOG TOOK ME OFF MY FEET AND I LANDED 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL SPOT I WAS STANDING… POWER (STRENGTH)+SPEED IS THE MOST DEVASTATING COMBINATION!!! I WAS IN AWE F THIS PARTICULAR DOG….HE WAS BADASS 100%…. HE WAS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE DOG I EVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING… THERE IS EXCEPTIONS TO ALL BREEDS….NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE, THAT’S HOW YOU GET HURT.
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SGT USMC says
DAVE IS WITHOUT QUESTION FULL OF SHIT — NO SUCH THING AS 100LB PITBULL LET ALONE GAME BRED — A BIG ONE IS MAYBE HALF THAT SIZE — IM THINKING DAVE IS EITHER THAT DUMB OR SO SMARTAND GETTING OFF WORKING US UP ON HIS PURE IDIOCY
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Mat says
To this bullshit artist who recons his kenkle killed a pit in less then a min, what a wanker he claimed to have had so many incidents with pit bulls and his cur kankles. PUT YOURS DOGS IN ONE OF THE GAME DOG MAGAZINES AS OPEN TO THE WORLD AT CATCH WEIGHT. I no 100% you will lose your dog. As for your ignorance about saying a pit bull could only win if the Kankel over heated or was to exorsted to fight, you idiots that why a pit is he suppream fighter, if your Kankakee doesn’t fight he loses and if he over heats he will die even easy and faster then from a broken leg you ignorant fool. Do you know how many Turkish fools have brought their kankles to Japan where dog fights are legal, it’s so funny when the japs no someone is coming they say just some ignorant fool is coming to pay us. Kenkles can’t beat a jap tosa, can’t beat a catch weight game breed pit, they can’t beat a cavkaz ether.
James Michaeal says
I have owned a wonderful male specimen Kangal that I purchased from a shepherd in the Sivas region, whom my Turkish friends introduced me to. I also currently own three Central Asian Ovtcharka dogs, two males, one female. All I can add to this argument. Is that one of my male CAO dogs was attacked on two separate occasions by Pitbull dogs, one was a Pitbull used in dogs fights, and in neither instance did the fight last longer that 15 seconds. One incident lasted perhaps 1/10 of a second resulting in the death of the Pitbull, as a major abdominal artery was ruptured by the immense canine of my dogs, after the Pitbull attacked him. In the other instance the fighting Pitbull, much to the chagrine of its owner refused to continue to fight, when on its 2nd charge of my male, my dog flung it 15 feet in the air, causing it to flip head over heels three times, get up wably, shake its head as if to say WTF was that, and walk away. There were several individuals witnessing this encounter, after which I lambasted the stupid owner for allowing his dog off leash to attack my dog. When a 55-65 lb dog, regardless of its fighting ability attacks a 194 lbs dog, bred to combat and kill predators, a massive dog that is cut and ripped, moves faster than dogs 1/2 his size, has a 28.5 inch circumference neck, paws wider than your head, claws backed by power that can and have ripped apart metal doors, a bite capacity 3X-4X that of a Pitbull, and is able to clear a 6 foot fence from a stand-still, his chances of survival are not good. Why is it that light weights do not fight championship heavy weights. My male’s sire was a fighting champion of Kazakhstan. My male also killed three coy-wolf hybrids, took down two buck deer in less than 30 seconds, and also unfortunately killed a bobcat, severing its brainsetm with his massive canines. Yes pit bulls are wonderfully athletic, tenacious, game dogs, but they simply lack the offensive weapons to defeat a good specimen Kangal or COA. Their only chances would be if the Kangal or COA failed to kill the Pitbull and following the onslaught, and onslaught it would be, the Pitbull was able to outlast the larger, more powerful dog, not beat it physically, but the larger dog stopped fightlig as it overheated and became exhausteed, or perhaps the smaller dog, with canines perhaps 1/4 to 1/5 the size of the larger dog’s canines managed to get in a 1/1000 lucky lethal bite and sever a large superficial vein or artery. I do agree with teh gentleman opining that many of the larger impressive looking Kangal are not acurally Kangal. As a person who has spent sufficing time in Turkey to become well acquainted with their endogenous dog and horse breeds, I an unequivocally state that the ANatolian Shepherd is simply a mongrelized Kangal, DNA studies have confirmed that. Furthermore, no one in Turkey recognized the ANatolian SHepherd before Europeans and Americans began brings them home and claiming they were Anatolian SHepherds, creating a kmarket in Turkey for the breeding and sale of these dogs. Most Turkish shepherds sold inferior quality specimen to foreigners and kept the select specimen for themselves, secreted away from prying eyes and hands. SO in Turkey teh kangal appear quite different in conformation that Kangal in the UK or USA. However, many of the larger, more massive “kangal” seen on the internet, are actually Turkish Mastiffs or Kangal/Turkish Mastiff hybrids. I was just resented offered a Boz, he was around 36 inches at the withers, but tended towards rear luxation, with a shoulder instability as well, and he lacked substance. Great size without proper structural integrity and an advanced neuromuscular system is of little value for either the dog or the owner.
Ethan Chauffe says
thats a complete bullshit fabricated story and you know it
DF POPOG says
Are you people retarded? There are 8 different bloodlines of the caucasian breed, all with different names.
People often buy and fight different bloodlines of caucasian dogs and call them ”ovcharkas” well I have some news for you, most of the caucasians you see are not OVCHARKAS! ”Ovcharka” is the name of the USSR Russian military bloodline of the dog, that USSR scientists invented for military purposes. That bloodline has ten times bigger prey drive, ten times stronger kill drive and is ten times more savage…
There are plenty of videos of REAL ovcharkas killing other dogs, packs of wolves and even bears, so you don’t have to theorycraft and argue, because there are videos proving that yes, the original military bloodline ovcharka is indeed the most savage dog breed (currently) in existence. You can just look it up by going on DuckDuckGo search engine and finding any reality or gore website with dogfighting videos. It’s as easy as that. REAL ovcharkas kill other animals (not just dogs) in mere seconds, it’s in their blood to avoid fighting and go straight for the throat, that’s how they were bred by Russian military and it’s in their nature, which is seen in the videos, since most of the fighting videos with real ovcharkas don’t last any longer than a minute or two at most.
As for the Pit Bull vs Ovcharka topic, is that even a real question? Just look up any videos, the APBT’s get their throats ripped open and skulls crushed in less than 30 seconds. There was even this one video where an ovcharka ripped off the APBT’s lower jaw off in just two bites and thrashes and the entire fight lasted barely 2 minutes. Even other bloodlines of caucasian dogs kill APBT’s with ease, i’ve only seen a handfull of videos where an APBT won the fight against a caucasian and even that was involving luck because the Pit usually won by getting a lucky bite on the caucasians throat or belly, so there is that…
Yes, the APBT might be a champion breed in U.S and around western EU illegal fighting rings, but most of the champions i’ve seen were either Ovcharkas or game bred CAO’s. Not even breeds like Ghadrejani, Kangal, Kuchi, Gampr and so on, were able to stand in a ring with champion Ovcharkas or CAO’s. Instead of arguing like idiots go watch some videos and you will see how your beloved game bred APBT gets killed in less than 30 seconds by most Molosser breed dogs with fighting backgrounds.
Mathew Collins says
Your an ignorant moron, in Russia the premier fighting dog is the game breed amarican pit bull terrier. Professional dog fighters with pit bulls match each other with other pit bulls of the same weight. Most pit bulls are only between 12-18kg’s. Some dogs are 20-23kg. A catch weight pit bull like MADAY for example who was considered huge by game breed pit bull standards was only 29kg’s pit weight, and he would destroy any breed of dog on this planet except maybe another bit bull.
Mat says
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Douglas E Millar says
sORRY DAVE i DON’T BELIEVE YOUR BULLSHOT STORIES OF YOU GAMEBRED APBT, A FIGHT WITH THE WOLF MAYBE BUT NOT ABOUT THE BEES. PIT BULLS ARE FEARLESS WITH ANIMALS THEIR SIZE OR LARGER BUT NOT WITH INSECTS. IN FACT I WOULD ARGUE THE VENOM INFLICTED BY THE BEES WOULD BE ENOUGH TO KILL YOUR DOG.
Dave says
I’ve had a hundred and ten lb male that is a game bred dog and he was the baddest ass thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life my brother has had pitbulls for 30-some years or 40 years and he’s had one dog that was as Unstoppable as Poncho in all that time Pancho is our family pet of 16 years he is now getting ready to pass soon and he’s been a hero a big male cougar tried to get my kids when we were playing in the snow and Pancho got it and killed it by himself with no help from anybody he also jumped on a bee’s nest ones for my daughter when she was 5 years old and got stung over a hundred times he knew exactly what he was doing because when he saw she was away from the bees nest he got off the bees nest and rolled around and jumped in the water pitbulls are amazing dogs in more ways than just being tough but they are very very very tough I also saw Pancho and 150 pound wolf go out each other at the lake before I realized I shouldn’t take Poncho to the lake it took Poncho less than a minute to have that dog that wolf dog down and literally had it whipped could have killed him if he wanted to he of course let go when I told him to but he didn’t always let go when I told him to a few times I had to get parting sticks for him because another dog pissed him off really bad usually when they growl at his boy luke
Mat says
Dave,That’s massive for a supposedly gamebreed pit. Could you post the pedigree?
ww says
fiddle castro is a cowardly pussy.
OKI says
In the States people are always going to say pitbulls, like the people of the religion of peace they’re allway going to come up with an excuse that the pedophile is great
Same thing with the pitbull, inbthwir minds a pitt can kill a lion ???????
Brian Burdick says
Hi Pees!
I read all these posts and am amazed that you dog lovers would even want to talk about dog fighting! If you’re so interested in who can beat who, why not just go to your neighborhood bar and start a fight with the biggest, toughest , nastiest guy in the place! Leave the dogs alone! They are basically peaceful critters and only fight over food, sex and turf.Dog fighting is a cowards sport. Dogs are to LOVE and be taken care of, not to goad into maiming and killing each other so some sagging ego ahole can brag about how “BAD” his dog is. As far as fighting dogs to make money, that’s on the same plane as pimping you young daughter!
Dog fighting should be banned and people who indulge in it should be in prison for very, very long times.
If I’ve offended or hurt anyone’s feelings, too bad!
Thanks.
WW says
David, SHUT UP!!!
David says
I keep hearing this bs about “And weight class” LOLOL. THE APBT has fought in its weight class against TOSA INU in 1000’s of matches and rarely beats THE TOSA. This is 100% fact like it or not.
But the most badass dog in the planet are the kangal breeds followed closely by the Caucasian Ovcharka and the Chinese version of ovcharka.
Bully, APBT, American bulldog bla bla bla are not as good fighters as mastiff breeds period. Its not just because of their size. Its also because of their bite force. A APBT has at best just over 400 lbs of bite force whereas a BOZ has been recorded over double that.
Mastiff breeds BOZ, TOSA destroy bulldog breeds period end of story for day.
Chip says
Clearly the tosa dog vs apbt fights aren’t done under pit fighting rules. There is a time limit and scratch rules. If left to the finish…pitbull wins 9 out of ten if weight is less than twice that of pitbull. Basically a today winning under japanese fight rules..don’t mean anything really
FIdle Castro says
KNow you lies mean Nothing. In russian they have vidoes and or game pit bulls getting murdered and killed by Causain SHepards and Mongolia mastiffs. THose dogs are twice as strong and twice as large. They ragdoll and seen many game Pits whing and have thier neck snapped or bleed to death. Even a game Pit did not last 1 minute against a fighting Cacasion shepard. I’ve rrotts in the US kill pits several times when i worked for animal control. Most overrated dog ever. ANd actually very cowardly when around a bigger dog. SPinesles and coward ass bully dogs. I loved knowing that PIts are a common prey for mountain lions in the west. Even fighting dogs heave been killed in seconds. ANd not one case of the
the us of th eopposite.
Mat says
Your so full of bullshit. The game bread pit bull has beaten everything and anything that’s called a dog and then some. Pit bull’s have beaten wolfs and all dog breeds, even bob cats mountain lions and god dam baboons.
Mal2 says
Everybody know pits are the best Al. Ok ok. They everytime won with elefants and grizzls. Their owners with small ego(enitls.) need believe. :D))) Like srbians (gypsy x somethin brown cross)
Torobull says
Here is a proven video of a game pit bull. Copy and paste
ADMIN: The video was deleted by Vimeo.
James L. Miller says
I had a 50 pound AmStaff shelter dog off leash at a local park that was attacked by a very large Malamute. At first I was terrified that the larger dog would kill mine but it quickly became apparent the Staff was so much quicker and totally fearless that the incident was a joke. Same dog attacked by an 80 pound German Shepard, same result. He was attacked by a coyote about the same size, knocked it down, coyote ran, I told my dogs to stay and they assumed the best tactical positions and did just that. I used to play fight with him but decided they don’t need the training, it’s all there ready to go. Just give them exercise, love and massive snackery. His brother is a shelter dog Kai-Ken mix, smaller brother to an Akita, and is a great dog as well. The Kai-Ken is one of a kind but for reliability, love, fun and protection I’ll take an AmStaff.
merv dudgeon says
I hate dog fighting and the murky world some bar stewards live in so I bought a giant poodle gave him the best of nutrition and special forces combat trained him along with jaw strength training and muscle and endurance training a wee fanny who has two pits let them of the lead when he saw my poodle the pits got the fright of their lives when my poodle booted the fuck out of the two of them and so did the ned and his two mates when I booted the fuck out of the three of them. Any fighting comes from the mind.
Mike says
Everyone talks about pit bulls being the best fighting dog. But everyone forgets about the pit killer. They didn’t give the name pit killer just for the hell of it. So remember the Akita. Better known as the pit killer because it’s the only dog known to take down a pit bull in a fight
Al says
ah ah ah ah :-) Very ridicoul
Garry says
People are such liars … they come up with ridiculous stories about dog fights that anyone knowledgeable about dog fighting just laugh at… The Southeastern U.S. for years fought dogs and the pit bull proved out over years and years of fighting to be the supreme pit dog… That is not to say that some large shepherd dogs have not won a few fights but they were the quick choke out type of wins that are usually against a young or inexperienced pit… If you followed dog fighting thru the 1950’s and 1960’s you would know that the APBT was hands down the supreme dog … The survival instinct that makes other dogs quit or run was somehow bred out of the APBT. Way too many men who thought they had a tough dog found out otherwise by matching them to a pit bull.
David says
Funny I witnessed a female kangal embarrass a champion APBT. Literally no challenge at all. The kangal pinned it to the ground and almost killed it. So you full of shit.
David says
Forgot to mention, its online as proof. Go watch it yourself kangal vs champion APBT
hodari ben says
Kita have no chance with a real apbt..you have two kinds of pits nowadays you have
The apbt….then you ahave the pet bulls
Yea that right the petbull …there a difference between the two
I am a nigger says
Pussy comment by a pussy man. Your just trying to play semantics because your thug ego is gone.
Alexandra says
I own a Pit bull and a Pit Bull x Boerboel (South African Mastiff, loosely translated from Afrikaans to mean Farmer’s dog) and they are the sweetest and most loyal dogs I’ve ever owned. They have never shown aggression or been a danger to other people or dogs in any situation. However, I once lived and worked on a property for a year that had an Ovchaka, I will never trust that breed again. The Ovchaka was threatening and aggressive to strangers and over the course of the year that I was there, got progressively more dangerous to the point that not only did he turn on me(savagely biting my arm after I pulled him off another person he tried to bite unprovoked) after biting me he was always threatening and aggressive towards me even though we had been ‘best friends’ up until then and now he has to be kept in an enclosure because he is even a danger to his own owner and her child.
In my personal experience and opinion, pitbulls are predictable and trustworthy. They are only ruined and made dangerous by people, however, Ovcharka’s are unpredictable and aggressive regardless of how well they are trained and how much they are loved.
David says
What you say goes completely against what any mastiff breed is known for… A mastiff hurting its owner would be extremely rare unless its master was abusing the animal. I find your input to be bullshit.
hengus says
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Al says
9 times out of 10 ??? But what movie you saw? They amstaff those are not true pit bulls.
Al says
Of course there are a lot of video … with pit ill-conditioned or with real pit bogus. If you put a gamedog against a kangal or a Tibetan, and the latter fail to kill him in 10 minutes, then they go on the run and run. And I’ve seen this many times live. It depends on many factors.
Brent says
i saw those fake videos with kangal beating the APBT…it was obviously staged because the owner of the Kangal was the only person in the ring.Where was the APBT other dog owner at the whole time? fake ….the other fights i saw where the pit wins it was a “real match” with both owners in the ring……Not grab any pitbull you can find and throw them in the ring and post it saying “queen kangal” wins…you guys need to post both owners along with your dogs before the fight.Not a fighting kangal with his owner going against a random pitbull you just found..
Mat says
I need you to link the non existing video!
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Al says
Pitbull of 70lb. AH ha ha ha, you see that you do not know anything. The APBT never exceed 60! It ‘a matter of mentality, the shepherds of the East after twenty minutes run away from the pit. You’re just a poor man who speaks without knowing ah ah ah
Илиян Попов says
fuck off sucker
Al says
Idiot. You are ridicoul.
DSH says
I just watched my first video of a pit vs Caucasian Shepherd. I’ve been watching videos of these Caucasian Shepherds and how ruthless they are. They are just pure aggressive like fuck everything and everyone type a attitude is crazy. Anyway in the video the pit bull was getting its ass handed to him for a good 15 minutes. It got to the point I thought the dog might end up dying. All of a sudden the Pitbull gets up breaks free and starts sucking up the shepherd. The shepherd then starts to run like a bitch and the video cuts out. I’m sure some of you have probably seen it but me personally I don’t agree with a dogfight that is till the death or to where the dog needs to be killed after the fight. If you want to fight your dogs that’s fine but there’s no need for them to kill each other. I don’t know that’s just how I look at it. Anyway I think a full game pit could honestly take down damn near any dog even a wolf. Keep in mind this is a full game dog Built For Fighting
Mat says
Mayday’s last match at catch weight, he was nearly 70 pounds and his opponent was over 70 pounds. But this is extremely rare most game breed APBT’s are between 33-45 pounds pit weight.
Al says
This is because you do not know what you speak :-)
The aggressiveness has nothing to do with fighting skills. You must be one of those who talk hearsay heh heh.
Among other things you do not know that today the best pit bulls are right in Russia and that sometimes we are sampled without weight limits … and no Ovcharka never arrive at the end. Informed guy.
hengus says
you might want to fix your broken english Al before you lecture others you stinky peasant
Al says
Idiot, I’m not English :-)
I live in Serbia and I see fights every day. And you? Come on, make me laugh, that dogs do you have? Idiot, do not talk about what you do not know.
Mat says
I don’t think any professional who fights the other breeds not the game pit, will even try his luck with a game breed pit, they know even the second best fighting breed the Japanese tosa will not take on a pit bull with cunja rules. One tosa owner told me the game breed pit is the bravest and longest lasting fighting animal on the planet.
joe d. says
It really depends on the dog. Boz shepherds of a game dog bloodline are nearly unbeatable except by a boerbel/bandog or a tosa inu. My Boz isn’t even a trained fighter but killed a pitbull within 2 minutes when attacked at the park.before I could even break up the fight. Just grabbed him by the neck and snapped it I guess. Now my dog is 75kg (around 166 lbs) and the pit(might be some mix) was 40kg (like 90 lbs) and attacked my dog on sight. So maybe pound for pound an APBT is the best but you cannot discount the sheer bite force pressure of a boz or tosa.. To put it in perspective, if it can kill a wolf it can kill any dog.
Keeshonden says
Joe d; Boz shepherd is what breed? Bosnian shepherd? If it is Bosnian shepherd, it is almost the same as an Alabai. Geographically, Alabai dogs have different names. Educate me if I am wrong.
Al says
Yes yes they all have the dog that the little park killed two pitbull ahahahahahah! Give me a break !!!
Mat says
For starters where do you get the bullshit idea that a wolf is a good fighter, they hunt in packs for a reason moron a German shepherd can beat a wolf one on one. Now seldom do any of the big breeds of fighting dogs win over a game bred pit, you need to get your head out of the clouds, this has all been dun before, pit bulls kill wolfs even quicker and easier then they kill a Caucasian shepherd. The tosa last the longest but after 40 or so min in the pit with a game breed bit that’s just getting wormed up it’s all over, take your big do before it dies. GAME BREED APBT NUMBER 1
caspion16 says
john c you obviously don’t know anything about the caucasian shepherd HE WAS TRAINED TO KILL WOLF PACKS AND FUCKING BROWN BEARS AND YOU GO FOR THE DAMN PITBULL YOUR OR A REAL MORON OR YOU NEVER DID ANY RESEARCH ON THE CAUCASIAN SHEPHERD THEY FIGHT WITH FUCKING BROWN BEARS A PITBULL WOULD BE RUNNING TO HIS LITTLE BOSS IN NO TIME and the reasone you barely see them is because they’re pretty special they’re very special and really hard to find
caspion16 says
sorry i meant don c
Alexandra says
I think it is very dependant on the individual dogs involved. Ovchaka’s are huge, strong, incredibly aggressive, bred for the ability to fight bears and have the benefit of a thick protective coat and Pit’s are smaller, making them faster and more agile, with a very high muscle to body size ratio, they also have their ability to lock their jaws to crush just about anything. If the Ovchaka got the pit on the ground and used it’s size and weight to over power the pit it would win but the pit has the advantage of being able to easily access the ovchaka’s legs and throat and his muscles and jaw strength would easily be able to overcome the ovchaka’s protective fur.
brent says
There is no dog on earth that can hurt a brown bear…
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paddy says
Its called english moron,get off welfare and get a job
paddy says
Wrong!!
paddy says
And thats just an uneducated comment, your a fuckin scum bag hang yourself
Big D johnson says
TRUST ME I have seen numerous videos of Pitbulls vs Caucasian Ovcharkas and the Pitbulls couldn’t last more than 6 minutes. RMD’s can kill 2 wolves at the same time, while a full grown APBT has trouble killing a juvenile wolf….get real.
Al says
Ah ah ah ah You are ridicoulous
chris.h says
Pit bulls aren’t the best I have a little mutt its doberman mixed with black lab and he’s beat 3 apbt and my american bully is scared of him so its not always breed its just the dog
Al says
Ah ah ah. How many words ridiculous that write the kids! These guys have never seen a real APBT and think they are the ones who see the park eh eh. A kangal not a fighter! A real gamedog APBT can beat any other race because he was selected for this. It ‘a technical issue and depends solely on the level of the pit. The APBT are gladiators; the kangal, cao etc. are only wrestlers.
Victor says
I like Pitbulls, in fact. I had one awhile back. I agree they are great game dogs. but they seem to only prevail when attacking another pitbull, or a poodle, golden retriever, beagle etc. or an innocent child. but it serms, when you match them up with a Rott, or Presa, or Kangal, Russian sheepdog. etc. they,re not that tough after all. I think they,re Pits are over raited.
Victor says
I dont know wat those Russians are feeding thier dogs out there, but personally I think they,ll make a quick snack from a pitbull. its like me eating a vienna sausage
bill says
You are a friggin beer drinking ,football watching ,sit in your chair a farting ,Oakland raider loving, driving a Dodge Ram truck because it sounds tough, complete f” n MORON.!!! Do you ever study the different breeds? Or do you just drink shots feeling cocky and blow this shit out you’re ASS? Pit bulls are a cross breed too.. Did you know that! I’ve watched thousands of fights… The pit bull can’t beat at least 20 of the breeds out there. I don’t care about your GAME pitbulls . kangals are bigger, more aggressive ,stronger,have more stamina……. And are built and bread to fight Dumb ass!!!!! Pull your head out of your ass and get an education dip shit!!!!
gil says
haha, not here on planet earth billy boy. You are just another idiot with your dumb ass opionion! The Apbt game pit has already proven to be the best by defeating every breed of dog known to mandkind! He is so good that people use dogs 2 to 3 times his size to try and beat him. If u can’t hande the truth, eat a dick asshole!
Mat says
Your a completely ignorant man, who probably got bashed about the head growing up as a child.
anon says
now billy byrne/william byrne and however many names you want to post under on here claiming the kangal is *ahem* king and then putting a link to vids you have uploaded yourself to try to prove a point dont bother.
its only your uploaded vids that cut off before the end, and before the apbt turns the tables, youre fooling noone son.
anon says
its only your vids that cut off that doesnt show the apbt beating all the other dogs. all the other vids posted by numerous different people show the truth and that truth is the apbt is the king and is second to none (not even kangal)
anon says
you are a funny guy!
none of your vids show the end of the fight.they cut off before the pitbull turns the fight.
every fight an apbt has against large dogs always has the pitbull fighting from the bottom first of all, but as would be shown if you posted the whole vid the pitbull almost always ends up winning after the bigger dog 1, cannot finish the pitbull & 2,runs out of gas (no game) .
dont try to pass off your ignorance to others.
nothing will beat the apbt.thats why apbt are used in every country for fighting but not the kangal.
billy says
watch your APBT scream like the bitch it is in total submission..lol what a pussy dog
here
Mat says
I bet you scream like a bitch in total submission, cum sock! Fucken idiot.
billy says
Here
@ABPT12 dry your eyes your pussy dogs got their sorry asses whupped…get over it
watch ovcharka smash 2 pbt
billy says
Here
watch and weep APBT12..your pussy dogs got their sorry asses soundly whupped..WooHoo..dry your eyes
billy says
#APBT12..dry your eyes and stop pretending to be Russian(Bbl NoxoAnte Ha XHhblkalowylo crapyxy)just because the breed includes the name american does not mean it must be the best..
probably there must be 10 breeds that would kill a pittbull and just because you don’t like does not make it untrue..get over yourself ..answer anyways you like l will not be reading this drivel again..but hey never mind you can freely buy one of theses superior breeds..good luck
william byrne says
Here another pitt beat by rottie
Here ROOTIE AND CAO BEATING PITT
william byrne says
Here KANGAL VS PRESA
Here KANGAL VS CAUCASIAN
Here KANGAL VS DOGO
blabla says
jajaja that wasnt a dogo fighter!!
mark says
Pits are so overrated all balls no brains.
Bill jones says
No sorry seen 1000s videos of Kangal cao and co beating the crap out of Pitts and killing them and Tibetan mastiff
APBT12 says
phahah ok ok. 100 videos? Would I like to see. Throughout the Internet, it haunted only 12 videos from Kangaös the shcöagen a pitbull. And they were all not true game pitbulls. Against a Real Game pit bull Tibet Mastiff or Knagal would have 0 chance. Take a look for yourself:
Here
william byrne says
Here
kangal beating red nose pitt
william byrne says
Rottie kicking the shit out of pitt
Rottie winning again
Rottie winning again
KANGAL KILLING TOP PITT
CAO BEATING TOP PITT
KANGAL KICKING PITT’S ASS
KANGAL KILLIG PITT
BABY WOLF BEATING PITT
CAO VS 2 PITTS CAO WINS
TIBETAN KILLS PITT
Al says
You are simply ridiculous eh eh :-). A good APBT is a fighter! A pitbull kangal can beat the unprepared and low selection. But a kangal is not a fighter. I’ve seen kangal crying. For a pit gamedog just attach it to the nose and send him to hypoxia. The pit is a combattentente, the kangal is a keeper.
Al says
Here
Bill jones says
Yes there are the Kangal cao and co I watched well over a thousand videos just to see what’s bullshit what’s not I can tell you the best Pitts out there got mauled to death that’s a fact and I have seen Rottweilers win more than lose. But the Kangal the caucasion the central Asian the Tibetan mastiff have all knocked the shit out of pittbulls so has the presa cane corso bully kutta what’s bad the Pitt men never take the Pitt out very rare they let him die that’s shit they do feel pain they have not got lock jaw fighting there own breed there own size they do ok but the Pitt people just don’t want another breed to beat there dog but there has being endless Pitts killed by the cao Kangal and co because the owners would not stop it they should stay away from the big boys and stop crying about your dog getting the shit kicked out of him Pitts are not 1st or 2nd or 3rd kangals cao and co bully kutta presa and often the dogo cane corso and Rottweiler and top German shepherds have all beat the Pitt. And when they talk a bout game as an excuse they forget a lot of the lgds are pets the ones who live wild would kill wolfs so shut up and get over it they are way down the list now I have seen a baby wolf maul a Pitt yes baby wolf google Kangal vs wolf. And there’s 1 video of a Kangal and full size grey wolf Kangal wins and baby wolf and Pitt Pitt loses these are the facts Pitt people get over it
APBT12 says
This is 100% the biggest bullshit I’ve ever heard. What were the videos? On Smorti? The largest page with videos is “mail.ru”. There are more than 1,500 videos. I have seen all of them and can say a APBT (american pit bull terrier) is superior to any race. Only the Tosa Inu has a small chance. pit vs kangal:
Here
or this:
Here
pit vs cao: Here
pit vs presa:
Here
pit vs dogo: Here
I myself am Russian and love Caucasian, but the best fighter is a real APBT. Fact is Fact. End of the Storry.
PS:A wolf is not strong. I have seen a Labrador who killed a wolf. But the strongest wolves live in America. There are the Timberwolves. And I’ve read many books ind which stand like a pit bull has killed a wolf. Sorry, but to kill a wolf is nothing special.
william byrne says
Here
Here,s 100,s on here just go to that page pitts diying sorry no pitt can defeat wolf no way no chance only kangal cao co
Al says
ah ah ah ah, But you know what an APBT gamedog? Are you just laugh
Phil says
CO and COA are by far the most deadly dogs with higher PSI than lions. My male CO is 110 kgs and very agile, built for fighting bears & wolves for 3,000 years, very thick skin, incredibly powerful, and the strongest defensive drive of any breed, plus they have a seemingly untouchable pain threshold when raging. However if you fight a dog or curious about it you shouldn't own one. Even rhetorical questions are based on an ignorant attitude with no care for dogs whatsoever.
APBT12 says
110 KG CAO? But then he is fat. A purebred CAO has 45-70 kg and no more!
PS: CAOs are very sensitive to pain. A CAO is not fighting with a broken leg on. A pit bull already.
st johns waterdog says
I have unfortunately watch videos from out of russia on dog fighting. The central asian shepard in most casess is able to destroy a pitbull in every sense of the word. They are so much heavier and stronger in the neck and jaws plus a males weight is arround the 175 lb mark and up. They in most fights seem to rear up and grab the pitbulls on the side or back of the neck then shake and whip the pittbulls to the ground. From there they do what is instinctive to the breed and that is to lay their weight on top of the dog like they would a wolf or coyote. Mauling the pitbulls to submission. Ive seen some of the fights where the Central asian shepards mouth was so big that it engulfed the whole neck of the pit or rottie. THey are just too big and powerful of a breed for APBT and other dog breeds to handle. It has taken 4000 years of this dog and its developement in throating animals to protect their flocks.
APBT12 says
That’s not true. I have seen more than 1500 Video “mail.ru” and can tell you 95% wins the Pit Bull. CAOs are large, but they have no endurance for long. Here
Look at yourself. On this page are more than 1,500 videos. There are about 50 videos of CAO vs. Pitbull and Pitbull wins more than 40 fights.
Mat says
Where can I see these videos?
william byrne says
Hi i have seen kangals and cao's rip pittbulls to bits all the pitbull owners make up things or morn get over it they nothe best dog the 2 at the top are all round as well who said american bulldog what a load of shit they are rubbish get killed in secs
APBT12 says
Kangal is not a competitor to a live game Pitbull. Sure there are Kangal kill the Pitbuzlls. But against a Game Pitbull with pedigree has a Kangal 0 chance. Here
Mat says
The tosa can kill any of the big breeds like a kavkas shepherd or kengel, but they almost always lose to a game breed pit with cunja rules.
Al says
Here
Erock78 says
It does depends at what. Put a COV in the hot south n tell it to go hunt a pig for you. Probably not gonna work out too well. N as long as it's not some trained fighting dog the pit will usually have more character n be a better fit as a pet for most people. They cost WAY less less, eat poop and shed less. Now for a flock guarding dog who wants to roam around n protect their masters property. I'll give that to the COV. Thats what they do n do it well. They can handle cold very well but are going to be extremely lazy in temps over 75. At least compaired to a pit. So location as to where u live has something to do with it. Ok as for fighting which we all know this (aka suppossed dog lover) is talking about. Yes 95% of the time the COV will win. Deal with it. The COVs are just way too big and strong. And their freaking hair actually does help protect them. In russia they use pits as training dog's for their COVs so that when the COV gets out in a field the wolf will have to face a game tested dog. The pit vs COV isn't really a fair fight. And fighting is sad very sad, but unfair fighting to prove "russian" dog's superiority is totally dumb. Not that i'm for fighting cuz i'm not, but throw some presas straight from the canary islands in their n lets see what happens. Dang dog fighters.
I have an american bulldog n he can't kick every dog's butt but he's the best dog in the world for me. Come on humans pick to fight n dog's don't. Watch an MMA fight or join the military to get your fix. Don't use animals that would bend over back wards for u cuz you think it will make u a man.
Paul Mills says
Fighting dogs is an activity carried out and attended by scumbags.
Both Ovcharkas and Pit Bulls are fine dogs – owning either is a real pleasure.
As for who wins a fight between the two, any two pit bulls would be mauled by the Caucasian. One would kill two – no sweat. They are massive and absolutely devastating in a fight. I've seen Dutch Shepherds shred pit bulls. Sadly, someone posted a video of the fight. Dutchies are tough customers as are first-class German Shepherds, particularly the Czech and East German bloodlines.
With all this said, I love pit bulls – great dogs! I love 'em all and despise those who fight them. You belong in jail.
APBT12 says
I myself am Russian, but live in Germany. I can tell you, a pit bull is a much better fighter than a Caucasian or CAO. A real Game Pitbull wins 4 of 5 fights. That is a fact. pit vs caucasian:
Here
or pit vs cao:
Here
SAM says
that’s not the point idiot, they are talking about strength and power not hunting a pig. get over it. COV is way more powerful and ferocious than the APBT. that’s just their nature. You are talking russian vs american, how retarded can you be. Dog don’t care about countries or race. Grow up dimwit!
APBT12 says
A fight Pitbull vs. Caucasian or CAO is not fair? Yes, the CAO / Caucasain has 0 chance. Sorry, but that is a fact. Sure, a CAO against a large pit bull mix to win, but against a Game Pit Bull has no dog a chance. I myself am Russian, but I’ve seen 100 videos and relevant fights and can say the Pitbull geinnt 4 of 5 fights. Have a look yourself:
Here
or this: This is a Top CAO vs a Game Pitbull.: Here
You have a American Bulldog? I’ve seen a lot of battles with Bulldogs. And can tell you a real deal American Bulldog would each CAO or KO besigen. I think American Bulldogs are in the top 5. Along with Pitbull, Tosa, Presa.
Mat says
Your a moronic idiot. In Russia kavkas owers who match the kavkas against another kavkas to see which ones they should breed know that there dog can’t bet a pit bull one on one with cunja rules. Your ignorance is topical
Pavel says
Russian Wolfdogs aka Wolfhounds are able to beat any breed of dog. Look here:
savannahbaily says
BOTH WILL DIE OF WOUNDS
BYB's are wacka says
1. The plural of Wolfdog is Wolfdogs, not Wolfdog's.
2. Compete how? Are you talking fighting? That is illegal and violates the TOS of Yahoo Answers.
3. The Caucasian Ovcharka is a Mountain dog and shepherd, not a wolfdog. It protects the flock, but is not a wolf hunter.
My opinion? That you are just trying to inflame people. Trolls are not worth debating.
j says
I have a Neapolitan MASTIFF , and a Caucasian shepherd. Last year we almost lost or house and business because some stupid nigger “blood” thought he would rob our house, he had a cane corso with him cuz he was aware my dogs were there just not aware of what they were…on the cameras it shows him breaking in the window, picking up his dog and both climbing in. My MASTIFF was outside the house in the yard, stated barking and woke up Zanello, my ovarchka. Zanello saw the corso and attacked and within seconds he was lifeless.. Zane ripped his throat out. This all happened so fast that the would be robber jumped out the wrong window and landed in the backyard with Tyson. Our Neapolitan MASTIFF… Nor the wife or I had time to call for help or get Tyson off him… The man robbed my house, premeditated, brought a killer dog with him, and ended getting himself killed, and his family tried sueing. And almost won… America