The Dogman: American Pitbull Terrier vs Ovcharka?
There seems to be a misguided few who believe that the Russian Caucasian Ovcharka can compete with the APBT.
I ask you to give me your opinions and let's have a proper discussion/ debate.
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Answer by RA
There is nothing on the planet (200 lbs. or under) that can whip a game American Pitbull Terrier (40-65lb). Anyone that suggests any dog or wolf has a chance is ill-informed.
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Answer by Hengus
Ovcharkas take it 9 times out of 10. 200 lbs Ovcharkas coat is too thick for a 60 lbs pit bull to hurt it, simple anatomy.
Pits are undoubtedly the king of fight breeds, that is POUND FOR POUND,
some of you deluded peasants think pits can take on polar bears already,
Answer by Julien
The Ovcharka hands down is the nastiest meanest most aggressive dog I have seen. They are not just big, but agile, and yes they will destroy any 50lb, 60lb,70lb ABPT. particularly if you can get one directly from Russia.
Answer by Paddy
TRUST ME, as you could google and see the other way around, i have seen a 65 lb pit grab a full-grown Bull Cow by the face and drag him down. You “get real” as you say idiot
Answer by SGT USMC
A Kangal – Ovcharka or the like could and would do whatever it pleases with a pitbull — could mount it and breed it – kill or mame it and in heartbeat. I suppose a pit bull could get lucky sneak under the big dog and attack his genitalia — more likely the big dog would scoop the apbt up in jaws shake it like a rat and it's over (see eg Dempsey terriers and barn rats) — — the toughest apbt are not these rejects you see at 100lbs — they are what 35 – 55 lbs — — Certainly APBT can be a real game and super talented — just like Floyd “money” Mayweather — Floyd is unmatched athletic talent and practioner — but the simple fact of the matter is that a bottom of the barrel heavyweight would make him his bitch with relative ease (including even the sloppy fat pasty white guys).
Similarly – and while there are exceptions they are very rare — a 125 lb female can be a 40-degree blackbelt — but at end of the day she can kung fu all over the place and I can walk right through wrap my arms around her and it's over (this example was for arguments sake only — I have never and never would find myself in a scrap with a little karate gal) — I'm not a brightest guy but has something to do with stuff like physics — despite the commentary APBT’s are not superheroes — the bite force is limited by forces likes size or lack thereof.
Answer by Don C
You want the truth, don't you? Well here goes. I’m 65 years old and fought dogs against the likes of Don Mayfield, Don Maloney, Walter Komosinski, Pete Sweeney, Earl Tudor, Jack Kelly, Jerry Bean, I could go on but what’s the point? I won my share and lost my share. IF there was a better combat dog than the pit bull, then that’s what the pros would be using. You’re talking about a 175 lb. dog against a 50 lb pit bull. The pit bull still wins. Why? Because the Russian dog WASN’T bred for combat. I’ve seen pit bulls up against everything available and they still win. Are there exceptions to every rule? Of course. When you match a 175 dog against a 50 lb pitbull, the odds are stacked against the smaller dog.B ut, pound for pound there is NO dog capable of whipping a pit bull. As a matter of fact, I will put a 50 lb. pit bull up against any 175 lb Russian dog in the world.
There’s an old saying that goes like this, “it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.” The American Pit Bull is the world’s greatest combat animal ever bred. If you think to place a 175 lb. Russian dog against a 50 lb. pit bull you have my deepest sympathies. When the pit bull grabs the big dog by the now and won’t let go, let’s see how much screaming goes on for the big dog. And make no mistake, the pit bull IS gonna at some time or another bite the bigger dog in a place he ain’t gonna care much for. And once again, if the “pros” who fight dogs felt like the Russian dog was the best combat dog, don’t you think they’d be using them instead of the lowly pit bull? ‘Nuff said.
Answer by Alexandra
I own a Pit bull and a Pit Bull x Boerboel (South African Mastiff, loosely translated from Afrikaans to mean Farmer’s dog) and they are the sweetest and most loyal dogs I’ve ever owned. They have never shown aggression or been a danger to other people or dogs in any situation. However, I once lived and worked on a property for a year that had an Ovchaka, I will never trust that breed again. The Ovchaka was threatening and aggressive to strangers and over the course of the year that I was there, got progressively more dangerous to the point that not only did he turn on me(savagely biting my arm after I pulled him off another person he tried to bite unprovoked) after biting me he was always threatening and aggressive towards me even though we had been ‘best friends’ up until then and now he has to be kept in an enclosure because he is even a danger to his own owner and her child.
In my personal experience and opinion, Pitbulls are predictable and trustworthy. They are only ruined and made dangerous by people, however, Ovcharka’s are unpredictable and aggressive regardless of how well they are trained and how much they are loved.
STOP DOG FIGHTING!
Answer by Rob
You guys are idiots for matching a 55 lb dog, the apbt, against fighting dogs/guard dogs 2 to 3 times its weight and size. Will this argument ever end? There is not a dog on this planet in a pitbulls weight class that can beat it. A Jack Russell terrier weighs probably 15 pounds less than a pit yet it can never beat one; nor can most dogs twice its size. In order for it to meets its match you have to give it all most impossible odds to win. Fucking cowards! Then brag about what a shitty breed it is.
Lesson one: dogo’s, presa’s, corso’s, bully kuttas are all bandogs. They only took on their recent appearance within the past 20-30 yrs. And what’s the main ingredient in most modern bandogs? Apbt!
- Which would win a Kangal or a pitbull in a dog fight?
- Tosa Inu Vs American Pit Bull Terrier fight?
- Who would win in a fight between a wolf and a pitbull?
Lesson 2: the kangals you see online that are the most impressive are not purebred dogs! That’s why they are so rare even in their country of origin. These so-called “Kangals” are in fact, Boz shepherds or Malak/Kangal crosses with those that look more like Malaks being the most popular. If a so-called kangal has a hanging upper lip, and block skull and not a round one, stands up square not rectangular, has overly defined muscle definition then its not a Kangal but one of the aforementioned.
Lesson 3: the best fighting dogs in the world are bandogs! Usually, Boerboel crossed with pit, or working lines of Neo or tosa. One such dog, a Boerboel X apbt, was undefeated against all other breeds and still to this day holds the record.
Lesson 4: game pitbulls come from a separate and distinct line from just the casual show dog (aka amstaffs). These dogs are top prizefighters who lines date back several generations back to when the breed was being developed. Of course, a 120 + lbs has the advantage but what more amazing here is that sometimes, the pit wins. Self-preservation, unlike what many of the larger breeds have, is not one of their traits; it was bred out. That ‘underdog’ — that fighting spirit is not something to be looked down upon.
Lesson 5: say we even the odds and made kangals, CO’s, CAO’s, bully kuttas, tm’s all equal in weight to a pit. Things wouldn’t be so “overrated” then would they?
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Torobull says
Here is a proven video of a game pit bull. Copy and paste
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James L. Miller says
I had a 50 pound AmStaff shelter dog off leash at a local park that was attacked by a very large Malamute. At first I was terrified that the larger dog would kill mine but it quickly became apparent the Staff was so much quicker and totally fearless that the incident was a joke. Same dog attacked by an 80 pound German Shepard, same result. He was attacked by a coyote about the same size, knocked it down, coyote ran, I told my dogs to stay and they assumed the best tactical positions and did just that. I used to play fight with him but decided they don’t need the training, it’s all there ready to go. Just give them exercise, love and massive snackery. His brother is a shelter dog Kai-Ken mix, smaller brother to an Akita, and is a great dog as well. The Kai-Ken is one of a kind but for reliability, love, fun and protection I’ll take an AmStaff.
merv dudgeon says
I hate dog fighting and the murky world some bar stewards live in so I bought a giant poodle gave him the best of nutrition and special forces combat trained him along with jaw strength training and muscle and endurance training a wee fanny who has two pits let them of the lead when he saw my poodle the pits got the fright of their lives when my poodle booted the fuck out of the two of them and so did the ned and his two mates when I booted the fuck out of the three of them. Any fighting comes from the mind.
Mike says
Everyone talks about pit bulls being the best fighting dog. But everyone forgets about the pit killer. They didn’t give the name pit killer just for the hell of it. So remember the Akita. Better known as the pit killer because it’s the only dog known to take down a pit bull in a fight
Al says
ah ah ah ah :-) Very ridicoul
Garry says
People are such liars … they come up with ridiculous stories about dog fights that anyone knowledgeable about dog fighting just laugh at… The Southeastern U.S. for years fought dogs and the pit bull proved out over years and years of fighting to be the supreme pit dog… That is not to say that some large shepherd dogs have not won a few fights but they were the quick choke out type of wins that are usually against a young or inexperienced pit… If you followed dog fighting thru the 1950’s and 1960’s you would know that the APBT was hands down the supreme dog … The survival instinct that makes other dogs quit or run was somehow bred out of the APBT. Way too many men who thought they had a tough dog found out otherwise by matching them to a pit bull.
David says
Funny I witnessed a female kangal embarrass a champion APBT. Literally no challenge at all. The kangal pinned it to the ground and almost killed it. So you full of shit.
David says
Forgot to mention, its online as proof. Go watch it yourself kangal vs champion APBT
hodari ben says
Kita have no chance with a real apbt..you have two kinds of pits nowadays you have
The apbt….then you ahave the pet bulls
Yea that right the petbull …there a difference between the two
I am a nigger says
Pussy comment by a pussy man. Your just trying to play semantics because your thug ego is gone.
Alexandra says
I own a Pit bull and a Pit Bull x Boerboel (South African Mastiff, loosely translated from Afrikaans to mean Farmer’s dog) and they are the sweetest and most loyal dogs I’ve ever owned. They have never shown aggression or been a danger to other people or dogs in any situation. However, I once lived and worked on a property for a year that had an Ovchaka, I will never trust that breed again. The Ovchaka was threatening and aggressive to strangers and over the course of the year that I was there, got progressively more dangerous to the point that not only did he turn on me(savagely biting my arm after I pulled him off another person he tried to bite unprovoked) after biting me he was always threatening and aggressive towards me even though we had been ‘best friends’ up until then and now he has to be kept in an enclosure because he is even a danger to his own owner and her child.
In my personal experience and opinion, pitbulls are predictable and trustworthy. They are only ruined and made dangerous by people, however, Ovcharka’s are unpredictable and aggressive regardless of how well they are trained and how much they are loved.
David says
What you say goes completely against what any mastiff breed is known for… A mastiff hurting its owner would be extremely rare unless its master was abusing the animal. I find your input to be bullshit.
hengus says
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Al says
9 times out of 10 ??? But what movie you saw? They amstaff those are not true pit bulls.
Al says
Of course there are a lot of video … with pit ill-conditioned or with real pit bogus. If you put a gamedog against a kangal or a Tibetan, and the latter fail to kill him in 10 minutes, then they go on the run and run. And I’ve seen this many times live. It depends on many factors.
Brent says
i saw those fake videos with kangal beating the APBT…it was obviously staged because the owner of the Kangal was the only person in the ring.Where was the APBT other dog owner at the whole time? fake ….the other fights i saw where the pit wins it was a “real match” with both owners in the ring……Not grab any pitbull you can find and throw them in the ring and post it saying “queen kangal” wins…you guys need to post both owners along with your dogs before the fight.Not a fighting kangal with his owner going against a random pitbull you just found..
Mat says
I need you to link the non existing video!
Julien says
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Al says
Pitbull of 70lb. AH ha ha ha, you see that you do not know anything. The APBT never exceed 60! It ‘a matter of mentality, the shepherds of the East after twenty minutes run away from the pit. You’re just a poor man who speaks without knowing ah ah ah
Илиян Попов says
fuck off sucker
Al says
Idiot. You are ridicoul.
DSH says
I just watched my first video of a pit vs Caucasian Shepherd. I’ve been watching videos of these Caucasian Shepherds and how ruthless they are. They are just pure aggressive like fuck everything and everyone type a attitude is crazy. Anyway in the video the pit bull was getting its ass handed to him for a good 15 minutes. It got to the point I thought the dog might end up dying. All of a sudden the Pitbull gets up breaks free and starts sucking up the shepherd. The shepherd then starts to run like a bitch and the video cuts out. I’m sure some of you have probably seen it but me personally I don’t agree with a dogfight that is till the death or to where the dog needs to be killed after the fight. If you want to fight your dogs that’s fine but there’s no need for them to kill each other. I don’t know that’s just how I look at it. Anyway I think a full game pit could honestly take down damn near any dog even a wolf. Keep in mind this is a full game dog Built For Fighting
Mat says
Mayday’s last match at catch weight, he was nearly 70 pounds and his opponent was over 70 pounds. But this is extremely rare most game breed APBT’s are between 33-45 pounds pit weight.
Al says
This is because you do not know what you speak :-)
The aggressiveness has nothing to do with fighting skills. You must be one of those who talk hearsay heh heh.
Among other things you do not know that today the best pit bulls are right in Russia and that sometimes we are sampled without weight limits … and no Ovcharka never arrive at the end. Informed guy.
hengus says
you might want to fix your broken english Al before you lecture others you stinky peasant
Al says
Idiot, I’m not English :-)
I live in Serbia and I see fights every day. And you? Come on, make me laugh, that dogs do you have? Idiot, do not talk about what you do not know.
Mat says
I don’t think any professional who fights the other breeds not the game pit, will even try his luck with a game breed pit, they know even the second best fighting breed the Japanese tosa will not take on a pit bull with cunja rules. One tosa owner told me the game breed pit is the bravest and longest lasting fighting animal on the planet.